Carl Jung

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When you find that it has been proved now, whatever Jung has said can be proved, then you have to accept him as a person who knew quite a lot about Self and about the collectivity. (...)

Now another point I would like to point out from Jung’s point of view that he took to dreams as one of the very big, big experimental truthful manifestation of the unconscious. But what happens, how do you get dreams, let’s see. The dreams come to you from the Kundalini itself, in a way. So what happens the Kundalini is not connected to the central path, but it is the record, is all our past, all our record is in there like a tape recorder has a tape, it is there. And what happens, that when you go very deep into (Sounds like Sushuti ) that’s the stage they call it, very deep into you, then the symbolism comes through that down below and passes through that blue line into your brain and that’s how you start seeing the dreams. But when you are passing through that you see you pass through your all subconscious area, so the dreams get distorted, they get a funny symbolism. (Advice given at C.G. Jung Society’s Hall. American Tour, New York (USA), 16 September 1983.)

See, he (Jung) sought for himself the truth. He didn’t accept Freud. And he thought that there is something wrong with it, then he has spent a lot with philosophy and I think he came to India. And not only that but he got his Realization. And after getting Self Realization he wrote about collective consciousness, he wrote so many things which we can now feel it ourselves. And he was a man who gave him good pictures, what will happen to men when they get self-realization. I should say we should be very obliged to him for doing [UNCLEAR] It was not just a mental projection but it was an actual finding of his own divinity. (TV Interview. Geneva (Switzerland), 10 August 1989.)

Question: Collective unconscious, he is wondering where you got the phrase from.

Shri Mataji: Oh, I have learned it from one of you. Actually, in Sanskrit, it is another word which is called as Viashti, in Sanskrit. You see, I never knew the English language, in this time life I have only picked up this and I read some Jung and I read some things to find out because Jung was a realized soul. And I got it from him that he calls as the collective unconscious, but in the Sanskrit language, it is called as Supta-achitar. There’s a word for it. I mean it is already there, but I do not know where he got it translated, that we should ask Jung about it. But that is the collective unconscious becomes conscious. I am saying collective consciousness, the unconscious becomes the conscious. You see, because he found out these symbols which were universal, so it is he who said that… I mean, by science, we can say by psychology he has proved that there is a collective unconscious, which we have to find out. He prepared the stage, quite all right. But I do not know how many Jungians are going to jump onto the stage. You see, you have to jump onto it, if you just stick on to those ideas, you see he talked of the unconscious, I am talking of the conscious. All right? Jung was great, I must say he was great, but he is not so much respected anywhere as he should be. (Public Program. Vancouver (Canada), 9 October 1981)

Jung has said that you have to become collectively conscious. Now, what is collectively conscious? That is, on your central nervous system, you should be able to feel another person.

Now Jung has said so, it’s a poet. Then you have got other people to quote: William Blake you can quote, you can quote other poets or saints whom you know, it depends on what sort of a person you are dealing with.

But just don’t say "Yes, I am a realized soul". People have been crucified, murdered, poisoned for saying that.

So be careful, put it on somebody else and say “Yes, the signs of a realized soul’s are like this, that he has to be collectively conscious”

First of all that you have read Jung or you know so much about collective consciousness itself will put them right in their own place, to begin with.

Because you have to be knowledgeable in these modern times, and you should be able to communicate. Just by telling them: “I’m a realized soul, I have to awaken your Kundalini”, nobody is going to believe you. (Talk to Sahaja Yogis, with questions/answers. St.Martin’s Lane, London (UK), 8 April 1987)

If you are wise, you will understand that we are not living in a very peaceful world. So first thing happens to you is that you become thoughtlessly aware. When we are thinking, we are thinking of the future or the past, but not of the present. The present is the reality. The Past is finished. Future doesn’t exist. But we can not be in the present, is a fact. So now, one thought rises, falls, another thought rises and falls and we are jumping on the cusp of these thoughts of the past and future. But when Kundalini rises, she elongates these thoughts and there is a space created in-between. That is the present when you don’t have a reflecting mind, you are absolutely at peace with yourself. You’re aware, absolutely aware, but you are thoughtless. Jung has talked about it, Jung, a little bit. I don’t call him a full-fledged Sahaja Yogi, but he did oppose this Freud, horrible fellow. All right, so you become absolutely peaceful and when you get connected with this all-pervading power, which is peace, absolute peace, no conflict. Bliss starts pouring into you and the peace spreads around. (Medical Conference, St. Petersburg (Russia), 20 September 1995)

You have to go to the superconsciousness on top of your head, not on the sides. There are so many other attacks also, like Freud. Freud was another attack, I think. He’s made human beings into nothing but sex-points. Another extreme. Jung talked about it, but he made one mistake – Jung, Jung – that he described the conscious mind, subconscious mind in a layer like this, horizontal. But it is placed vertical, and the central path which is the conscious mind, which is the present, has to be kept open for the kundalini to move. And because of that mistake, many people believe that you have to go to the subconscious to go higher. You don’t have to go to subconscious or to supraconscious. It’s a straightforward march upward like this, and you come out of your fontanel bone area, your attention just comes out, just like this. Like this tent, you see how it is inside, in the same way, your attention is put outside. And then the whole thing breaks and it starts penetrating into subtle, subtle areas of your attention. (Public Program, Garden of Overvoorde mansion house, Overvoorde (Holland), 4 July 1985)

Question: What makes exactly collective consciousness, collective awareness? And what is the connection with the collective unconsciousness, psychologically?

Shri Mataji: Jung has talked. See, the collective unconscious becomes conscious. That becomes conscious. That comes into our conscious mind. That’s it. Jung has talked of it. But Jung, you see, got his Realization, he talked about it and I addressed the Jungian Society in New York. So I’ve not read this, I’ve not read him much. So I just opened the book, like this and there was a diagram that he had made of a human being. What he had done, that he said that the collective unconscious is at the bottom, then the subconscious, then the collective subconscious, then the subconscious, then the conscious mind and then the other things like that. But like – horizontal layers. This was the mistake because your subconscious mind is placed on the periphery. Subconscious is on the left. Subconscious is on the left and then the collective subconscious. Everything that has gone out of the circulation of evolution is in the collective subconscious.

Now, on the right side is the futuristic side. So is the supraconscious, is the collective supraconscious. So all the ambitious people are in supraconscious. Now the superconsciousness [MISSING RECORDING] …and the collective unconscious is the Kundalini. Now, when She rises, She connects you into the superconsciousness. So you become conscious of the collective consciousness.

But the mistake was that it is not horizontal. Because when you say it is horizontal, then people go to the subconscious mind, then through the collective subconscious, then through the collective unconscious, means the movement is descendant. But our Creator is a great organizer. Now, supposing you have to go to the aeroplane and if you have to pass through all the luggage and all everything and then go to the airport, it’s going to be difficult. So He has kept both these things vertical and the central path is there, is clear – is called Brahmanadi, the central path. It is like a spiral. It’s like a spiral and the innermost part of the spiral is the Brahmanadi. (Press Conference. Bucharest (Romania), 17 October 1990)

Now in the center we have another little one, there’s a void in between, but there’s a little one inside the channel which is not yet fully developed ready to receive the Kundalini from down below which we call as Sushumna, Sushumna Nadi. This is the channel by which we ascend. We’ve ascended so far to be a human being, as being told that we came from amoeba to this stage. This ascent came to us because we have this power within us to ascend. We never think how did we become human beings. Even Darwin, I was told, has said that “Now the man has come so far, so he has to go further.” But he has not indicated where he has to go but Jung has very clearly said that if a man has to rise anywhere higher, he’ll become collectively conscious. It is Jung who said that because Jung was the person who got his realization in his lifetime and he was a changed personality and he talked about it. (Public Program Day 2, Kuala Lumpur (Malaysia), February 24th, 1983)


From Saints, Sufis, and Yogis

Carl Gustav Jung (1875-1961) was a Swiss psychologist and mystic. Founder of the analytical psychology now known as Jungian psychology. Jung emphasized the need to explore the spiritual and religious nature of the human psyche so as to achieve balance and harmony. Throughout his life, he explored the worlds of dreams, art, mythology, Eastern and Western philosophy and religion, as well as alchemy, astrology, sociology, and literature.

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi has mentioned Jung many times in her talks, in particular in a talk to the C.G.Jung Society in New York (1983-0916). She has stated that Jung achieved his realization (1990-1017).

Jung (is) one of the greatest psychologists and I respect him very much. He has done a lot of work on the unconscious and he has taken many years to experiment on thousands and thousands of people to find out how the unconscious works through dreams and symbols. ... He also found out another thing about the Universal Unconscious, that it always gives you a balance, by different experiments. (1976-1222)


Bibliography: The portable Jung, edited by Joseph Campbell (Viking); The Cambridge companion to Jung, edited by Polly Young-Eisendrath and Terence Dawson (Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press, 2nd ed., 2008); Deirdre Bair, Jung: a biography (London: Little, Brown, 2004); John Henshaw, 'Carl Jung and the Kundalini, Knowledge of Reality, no.12 [1]; Anthony Stevens, On Jung (Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, new ed., 1999); Anthony Stevens, Jung. A very short introduction (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1994)

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